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Latest News 11/3/ book reviews gives it a 10 out of 10 rating! " Turns out the border between genius and insanity is a pretty cheery place" says. Master the elegance of functional programming with Land of Lisp, an illustrated guide to the world's most powerful Ebook (PDF, Mobi, and ePub), $ Conrad Barski remembers, and with Land of Lisp, he's set out to demystify My understanding is you'll be able to download the mobi/epub.

TY on Oct 14, Any plans to release the book in electronic formats pdf and epub? It will be available as a PDF, epub, and mobi. The epub and mobi versions tend to lag about a week behind the PDF because of conversion time, but we push those files out to your account as soon as they're ready. Assuming you pick the book up from No Starch directly: No Starch rings a bell. I learned of Jon Stokes book "Inside The Machine" recently and it seems to be impossible to get in paper or ebook.

How can I read it? TY on Oct 15, Thank you, I'll be looking forward to the release of the electronic versions of the book.

Considering the publisher, it should be available in pretty much every digital format I think all of their books are. That looks really cool. I'll definitely grab a copy when it comes out. Folks looking for a practical place to start with Lisp should consider using the Emacs editor. I just recently went down this road myself. I am now a huge fan. For about 6 months in I made Emacs my default editor.

Xemacs, actually. So I started using simple text editors like Kate, and then sometimes NetBeans. And yet, for years, I've been wanting to work with a fully scriptable editing environment. I often have the need to grab a large amount of text data, transform it in various way, and save the finished product. I kept thinking that at some point I would learn sed and awk, but I never got around to it. Then it occurred to me to go back to using Emacs. So now it is my main editor, again, my default programming environment.

I use it for everything. And I've learned Emacs Lisp. Every single day, the combination of Emacs and Lisp helps me be more productive. Way back in , I started to learn PHP.

One thing that made PHP easy to learn, back then, was that I did not need to compile it. I only needed to put it on a server running PHP, and that was most servers. It was an easy programming environment to step into. Lisp is like that when you are working in Emacs. You can write a line of Lisp anywhere you like, then invoke it with a special key command.

You can write quick one-off scripts to move text around inside a file. Or, if you like some code and want to reuse it, you can just save it as a function and put it in your.

I have heard of Emacs greatness since at least , and yet somehow, not till this year did I dive deep and learn both it and Lisp. I realize now, everything that people have said about Emacs over the years, it really is true - to have a programming environment where every element of the environment can be programmed and re-programmed using the language of the environment gives you an extremely powerful tool.

If anyone is looking for a simple place to get started with Lisp, I would say, simply, use Emacs. We all need to edit stuff, and so your work will provide you with a practical place to practice your Lisp, everyday. Those of you who prefer some kind of GUI, look into Xemacs.

It can be set up to respond to your mouse-clicks. Also, if you'd like to learn about Emacs and Lisp, the book that Robert J Chassell wrote is a very good introduction: I don't want to nitpick here, but the tedious distinction between the "graphically challenged" GNU Emacs and the "some kind of GUI" godness of XEmacs is getting rather old.

Precisely, it is around 20 years old, since the debate started somwhen at the beginning of the 90s. But otherwise, youre completely right. Emacs feels today what running a Lisp Machine must have been back in the day, and it's wonderful. It is a pity that Emacs is stuck with Elisp for the foreseeable future, so although a "Lisp", it cant fully profit from all the available Common Lisp goodies, but for a beginner, it is all more than enough to start.

Not really. A Lisp Machine had a better Lisp, multi-tasking, a cool graphical user interface, the software was object-oriented and more. Emacs still has a relatively poor Lisp dialect, no object-orientation in most of its software, no multi-tasking, a relatively poor user interface and so on.

Emacs Lisp is kind of a crappy Lisp dialect, but it's a very accessible way to learn the basics, and if you use Emacs, quite immediately useful.

I wish I had a better suggestion for learning elisp, but I mostly picked it up from the Emacs Lisp info file included with Emacs http: This is puzzling. GNU Emacs has mouse support. An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp is also available for free from the author's website: Dont want to start a religious war here, but how does slimv http: DeusExMachina on Oct 15, I never used slimv, but I started developing in Clojure using Vim and connecting it to a repl as explained here: I've used slimv a bit to play with Common Lisp.

It's very handy for sending sexps from vim to repl. I think it's difficult to find a person which used both editors for Lisp coding to make a meaningful comparison. Emacs will be even better when you can use Scheme instead of Elisp. Can u give some insight about python, or is lisp better? If you want to learn Lisp, I guess Emacs is a good idea.

If you want to transform text in your editor in a Unix-like environment use the appropriate tool - Acme http: It's not as idiomatic as with Acme, but you can program text transforms in any language with Emacs too. For a beginner, I'd recommend Python. It's a powerful language, freely available on just about every platform imaginable, with tons of support and it will take a use. I concur, and would add that being proficient with five languages is not too high a bar to set for a professional developer.

Not a world-leading expert, but able to Write Good Code tm. But then again, scheme and javascript are basically the same language, and python is a funky dialect of it with elisp being a close cousin. I'll preorder the physical copy anyway, but it would make a great eBook I think not having seen it yet. I think everyone, doing anything, should learn Lisp just to really open yourself to alternative programming approaches. Seriously, guys, who in their right mind believes there have been no major advances in programming languages since Lisp?

I find it amazing that, contrary to popular belief, the 21st century started in Some quite [paulgraham. The more I study programming languages, the more I'm inclined to believe them.

Programming today is easier than programming in the 80s, if you pick the right language. BASIC wasn't that easy -- although at least on most computers there was no installation step. Most people who typed in games from magazines weren't doing it to learn -- they wanted to play the game, and printing the BASIC code on paper was more cost effective for the publishers than gluing a cassette to the magazine.

Typically there would be no comments, no discussion of the techniques use, and towards the end of this practice's lifetime, it wasn't unusual for the program to be a small piece of BASIC for poking integers into memory, followed by several A4 pages of hex characters; the machine code for the game. Perhaps it speaks to the fact that there are so few real world programming tasks that require cool but obtuse capabilities that take longer to master than the much simpler code in other languages?

Speaking as someone who does a lot of real-world programming in non-LISPy languages, I don't think so. I love Python, and it's considerably more capable than Java or C in terms of metaprogramming LISP-style macros may be abusable, but they're also beautiful, beautiful things.

There are plenty of highly skilled programmers who don't like Lisp. You can't just blame it all on management.

Even in the C Standard Library created by people who obviously know C very well , you see many very similar functions named with a suffix noting the data type that it takes or returns. They likely all have very similar implementations as well. Because metaprogramming is confusing.

For example, it allows and encourages every developer to come up with his own personal class system, templating system, and collections framework, along with their own custom language keywords to define novel control constructs. Of course each personal framework is incompatible with anybody else's personal framework. This kind of balkanization has been the story of Lisp ever since it was invented.

I've actually had a Fortune 50 employer put Clojure to use for a tool parsing an extremely high-volume data feed in near-real-time; the project was a roaring success, and the choice of tools was no small factor. Myself included. Mind you, I love Lisp.

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But I wouldn't if I were working with anyone else on the same code for any length of time. Perhaps it speaks to the fact that its not very well taught. True but those are far more complex languages. In important detail that those lack, and what classical microcomputer BASIC has, is an immediate mode interpreter.

That instant response to input is a powerful tool for the beginning programmer. You're kidding about VBScript, right? Short of abusing Scripting. Dictionary in some rather awful ways you can't even define data structures in it, and writing code that spans more than one module involves the use of some obtuse XML crap.

VBScript has its place but using it for anything other substantially more complex than short straight-line automation scripts is lunacy. You could write some ephemeral JavaScript programs in an. But be forewarned Less importantly, your virus scanner might not like you for it.

What specific limitations are you talking about? I would actually argue that at the moment, an iPod Touch is actually the best programming environment for a kid wanting to learn to program, because the feedback is visual and kind of tactile, and they can easily show off work to friends.

AppleScript is much easier to understand than to write. Nearly everyone winds up using it in an autotools-like way, looking for examples online and adapting them, with a lot of superstitious behavior. It's extremely hard to write non-trivial AppleScript, and I'm speaking as a professional programmer with command of plenty of languages. Can anyone post links to any Lisp web application? Can't find it hosted but found the code to the book at the homepage [landoflisp.

As to your more generic question, I think this year's lisp game expo [cliki. However, is there a reason why all such couldn't be explained with something more modern, like Python?

I'm only a few years older than you 25, soon to be 26 but learning Lisp was a very, very rewarding experience - at least to me. Even if I'm probably never going to code in Lisp or Scheme, my personal favorite it teach me to better think in the way I code. If you have some time in a free Tuesday evening well, more than one, actually try take a look at Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs. There may be more comments in this discussion.

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This is a Book Review! Share twitter facebook linkedin. Denote keyword arguments? Thmileys make lithp talk thrange. Parent Share twitter facebook linkedin. Python is the Lisp of the 21st century Score: Actually every good Python editor does that automatically.

Particularly PyDev under eclipse. Even on a windows machine, installing a very comprehensive toolchain involves installing Python x,y and PyGame What freaks me out is the mystification of programming and hardware. Python is unusable because of whitespace issue Score: Python respects the visual limitations of humans It does exactly the opposite, unless humans can evolve to literally "see" whitespace characters.

Lisp is cool But where's our new hyper advanced LISP machines? Nothing will beat the Symbolics Lisp machine. Clozure is great, but not quite there yet. Sorry, old habits Dismissing lisp because of parentheses is like dismissing Citizen Kane because it was in black and white.

It totally misses everything else in the language that's far more important. Lisp is a milestone in computer language history, it was extremely influential to modern fashionable languages, and it is still relevant. To miss all that because of some parentheses is short sighted. Little did I know that the future had only begun, and continues today. Probably will continue into tomorrow, too.

In , I was typing it in directly from an issue of David Ahl's groundbreaking mids magazine Creative Computing [wikipedia. David Ahl [wikipedia. Thanks, Dave!!! I think you can learn a lot by just retyping stuff.

Wish I still had that thing. Maybe I'll rebuild it [mindsontoys. Just remember to be buried facedown, nine-edge first Those were the days! I happened to look at the bombs away game on that list and it has this wonderful question: I have that book.

I was just looking at it the other day. I remember typing the listings in to my Atari computer at home and the Apple in the library at school. Once I typed in Super Star Trek and changed the characters to look like the ships , everyone wanted a copy.

From the review: Lisp Score: I'm waiting for Lisp to use as my asp. First, Lisp is not an acronym. I disagree, LISP is fine for beginners. It took you so much effort to type that, when you could have simply clicked on the provided link? No wonder you're AC.

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It's a joke, don't get your panties in a bunch. David Ahl Score: Hi- I'm the Author Score: I paged through the book yesterday and I'm looking forward to go through it in detail. It's SO nice to find a book on lisp that doesn't make You want to carve out Your eyeballs due to sheer dryness. Can I download it as an elecrtonic copy, e.

Thanks, was able to download and read right now Score: Who cares about a "cost benefit" when you can enjoy a book about Lisp this very instant? I'd be glad to give you some pointers: Some pointers? Surely you mean cons cells! Land of the Lisp? Lisp is an East Coast thing. Blame MIT. LISP a bad choice as a starter language.

As with any paired construct, the solution is to enter both halves before you type anything else - so I always enter: And then type into it. You don't mismatch parens that way - editors are nice in that they ca. Disagree, think it's a great choice Score: Any decent programmer should know more than one language. If they can't adapt to a new language, they need to spend some more time learning how to think differently. Preferably, one of the languages they know should be lisp-like. Not because it's necessarily relevant to today's web-based micro-apps, but because it can teach you to THINK differently.

I know some programmers who know several languages, but they write as if every one of them was Fortran. You can lead the horse to water site or iBooks version??? You insensitive clod!!! I find it amazing that, contrary to popular belief, the 21st century started in [wikipedia. Oh, I'll admit that It wasn't about education Score: Two comments about the summary: Generally functions take care of that.

If a problem comes up enough, said function is stripped out and added to a library. These are not new or novel concepts, people have been doing them for decades now. Sometimes people will add lots of copy and paste code to a codebase. We call these people bad programmers, and they tend to be fired. What, like for loops?

Variable assignments? Could you give an example of code duplication common in C code that would not occur in Lisp?I'm really happy with how it turned out and I hope the new site which I don't want to launch before the book is truly ready will entice more folks to learn Lisp!

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What is so complicated about LISP's syntax? You'll learn to: Master the quirks of Lisp's syntax and semantics Write concise and elegant functional programs Use macros, create domain-specific languages, and learn other advanced Lisp techniques Create your own web server, and use it to play browser-based games Put your Lisp skills to the test by writing brain-melting games like Dice of Doom and Orc Battle With Land of Lisp, the power of functional programming is yours to wield.

With his brilliantly quirky comics and out-of-this-world games, longtime Lisper Conrad Barski teaches you the mysteries of Common Lisp. Because when every programmer is a god, all ends in strife and horror and mutation.

Abelson, Sussman and Sussman's Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs , arguably the greatest introductory programming book ever written, requires a solid math background to understand the examples.

Or, if you like some code and want to reuse it, you can just save it as a function and put it in your. Besides, don't you know that in Lisp, parentheses are indentation symbols?

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